Anyone else worried about AR 15 sales

[moose1am]

All this current talk about restrictions on AR15 type rifles and clip size.

While I've only thought about getting an AR15 for coyotes hunting I still would like to know that I could if I wanted to buy one.

I personally don't think that restricting the sales would prevent killings like the one in that school.

And i don't think that simple ordinance or state laws trump the US Constitution. If they want to ban arms then they need to change the US Constitution and not try to run around it with laws that are unconstitutional.

I only hope that they don't ban gun sales now or in the future. We have a right to own and carry arms as have had that right ever since the 1776 Beginning of this country. Actually before that everyone was able to own guns of the day. That's how this country was freed from the British in the first place.

[rjh1971]

I completely agree with you. The bigger question that needs to asked is the state of mental health care in this country. I am a registered nurse by trade and people with mental health problems are under served by the medical establishment. If you have mental problem you get 6 weeks of care ( if you can get a spot in the pysch unit) then back out on the street.

I think they should have someone trained with a lethal weapon on school premises. Pyschos know they are soft targets and easy pickings. Pretty sad, but I think it would be the most logical choice.

[cwfmr181]

I am a Police officer. We take mental health issues and give them a high priority. We transport them to our local hospital where they are taken to the ER. Sometimes before we are done with our paperwork these people are already on their way out the door. When we ask we get the reply that 1) no beds available, 2) the doctor didnt think they were serious, or 3) they didnt restrain them and they just decided they wanted to leave and the staff let them. They (mental health patients) need a higher priority with the hospitals. As for armed people in the schools. We already have officers assigned to our schools, but they a slamed with investigations of sex abuse, bomb threats and the regular fights and threats in the student body. We also have school security officers armed. Junior high and senior high students and all visitors already enter through metal detectors every time they enter school. Our comunity feels better than most about the security at our schools. as far as getting an AR good luck finding one. Our local distributor is completely sold out, He handles 4 different brands and normally has somthing in stock that our local FFL license holders can get for us, but not now.

[dawgdad]

Suppliers I use reguarly have said they are already back ordered for six to twelve months. Also duly noted that the demand has quickly doubled the price of AR's if some one has one to sell.

[jrbhunter]

I heard on the news that more AR-15 magazines were sold in 3 days than the past 3-1/2 years combined.

I happened to stock up on lowers and magazines right before all this chaos started. Still have some magazines back-ordered, but I'm glad I beat the rush and price hikes.

[moose1am]

Went to Gander Mountain today and looked at guns. They sure have a lot of different AR15 type rifles in stock and for sale. It's very confusing to not know what I'm looking for and to see all the variety of makes and models.

What's a good gun for shooting accurate rounds for coyotes? What are the basic things to look for in a good AR15 type rifle for coyotes.

PS: They didn't have any Reminginton AR15 in stock at the time. They have Rock River and Bushmaster which I've heard of those two brands before. I'm not sure if they are any better than the others. So many different rifle buts, extra rails and pop up manual sights to consider. I talked to the saleman about the AR15 and some Gen 1 Night Vision Rifle Scope, and a pistol for self defense and ended up walking away with a head full of names that I've never heard of before. It gave me a head ace and I had to go take a break. I do remember that some had rails on the top and side and that you can add scopes and lights using those extra rails.

The night vision scopes were selling for about $500 to $600 bucks and had a IR light that mounted on a rail with the scope. The scopes were pretty heavy too. I can't even remember the brand name of them now.

I basically went to GM today to buy some of the new blue polymer tipped Gamo Air Rifle Pellets. I fired one in my Gamo Bone Collector Air Rifle to see how loud it would be. It's definatley going faster than the speed of sound and it quite loud in this air rifle. Which is exactly what I want. I've got some of the Red tipped Gamo Pellets and they are made out of lead and slower than the blue tipped ones which are made with a alloy material and not lead.

[dawgdad]

Moose , Ar-15's are like Barbies for men - you can customize and accessorize them to what ever you want. Now that the rush is over they are available and affordable again.

I have Rock River, Bushmaster, Stag Arms, Armalite and some no name and GI parts on the AR's I own. The great thing about AR's is they are so universal and compatible that you can mix and match and swap out optics and but stocks etc from one maker to another with hardly any issues. ( older Colt take down pins being the exception to that rule). i do not save much money by doing it but i usually build mine from parts kits now to get it spec'ed exactly like I want it. I can build a lower in about 25 minutes and an upper in about 20. Not much to it and only a couple of inexpensive special tools needed.

[moose1am]

It takes me a long time before I buy anything. I research it to death and still don't know what I want sometimes. AR15 are on my mind right now for some stupid reason. I need another gun like I need another hole in my head. . I really need a pistol more than an AR15. But I've got the bug and had to go look at them again today.

I looked at a Daniel Defense AR15. They had two of them in stock at Gander Mountain today. One was just received. I wrote the name down on a post it note so I could remember it and research it on the internet tonight. Well I went to their web site and looked around. I felt so confused. They were using terms that I had no idea what they were talking about. Low profile gas chambers or something were used with certain type of barrels. But when I tried to build my AR 15 they were out of stock on a lot of the different barrels.

And the price is up around $1790 or so plus tax. They all look cool but I need to know more details like the type of trigger they come with and if it's adjustable and a good trigger. And I would insist on having it chrome plated to protect the barrel and the (Receiver?) They didn't have any 18" long barrels that I could find with Chrome on the inside of the barrel. They had so many different type of each length that I was confused. They used acronyms that I had no idea what they mean. They need to have a page on their web site just to explain all the short cuts for names IE Acronyms.

I also looked at a Ruger AR15 that looked cool but I don't remember much about it now.

The clerk showed me a coyote hunting AR15 but now I can't remember who made it. It was an unfamiliar name. Not a Colt, Bushmaster, Remington or Rock River. I've heard about those in the past on the old Midwest Predator Masters forum. There was a lot of good information on that forum that I can't find anymore since the new web site was started. And this new site is not populated like the old one was. Not sure where everyone went but there is not a lot of traffic on here anymore like a few years ago.

I lost a lot of my old favorites when I had to install a new hard drive. Well I didn't really lose them but they are on my back up files which are harder to get to than before. I have to manually search for them using windows explorer.

I'm guessing that the supply of the Daniels Defense AR15 parts is low due to the people buying a lot of AR15' over the past few months.

My research tonight tells me that Colt made the original M16 for the military back during the War in Vietnam. I'm thinking that the AR15 is just the new M16 for civilians? So is the Colt AR15 sort of the standard that everyone else is compared to? One web site that I looked at earlier tonight seemed to say that. I found a forum that had a thread comparing the Colt and the Daniel Defense AR15's. I've not really investigated the Colt Web site thoroughly yet.

Sept 17, 2013 16:58:26 GMT -5 dawgdad said:

Moose , Ar-15's are like Barbies for men - you can customize and accessorize them to what ever you want. Now that the rush is over they are available and affordable again.

I have Rock River, Bushmaster, Stag Arms, Armalite and some no name and GI parts on the AR's I own. The great thing about AR's is they are so universal and compatible that you can mix and match and swap out optics and but stocks etc from one maker to another with hardly any issues. ( older Colt take down pins being the exception to that rule). i do not save much money by doing it but i usually build mine from parts kits now to get it spec'ed exactly like I want it. I can build a lower in about 25 minutes and an upper in about 20. Not much to it and only a couple of inexpensive special tools needed.

[moose1am]

I got my hands on a new AR15. It's a High Standard AR15. I slapped a really cheap air rifle scope on it and took it to the firing range to test it out. At 100 yards the first shot was on paper after laser bore sighting the scope rifle combination in at 25 yards. The second shot was right on the bulls eye. Next two shots were all within 7/8" from each other. Not bad for a cheap GAMO AIR GUN 4 x 32 Rifle Scope on this AR15 using factory loads. I shot the Remington 223 AccuTip ammo at the range.

I took my neighbor with me and let him shoot too. He hit the target at 100 yards but shot low and to the left.

I reset the target to 200 yards and I hit the target low about 4" to 5" at 200 yards with the cross hairs on the target. It was hard to see the bulls eye at 200 yards with the cross hairs. They pretty much were bigger than the bulls eye at 200 yards at 4X magnification.

Also I was using a 30 round magazine which tended to hit the shooting table before I could get the rifle forearm fully seating in the shooting bag at the front of the rifle.

I picked up some 5 and 10 round AR15 magazines at Gander Mountain and will go back to the range and try this again. I'm pretty sure that when I can seat the rifle forearm/barrel fully in the sand bag shooting bad that I'll be able to shoot much better. And If I buy a new rifle scope with a larger objective, higher magnification and better optics that will really help get the best out of this AR15 rifle

After I went to the shooting range and got the scope sighted in properly I went night hunting by myself for the very first time. I only made one stand for about 30 minutes. I had two batteries for the light on my rifle but one of them failed to work. Luckily the backup battery worked with the scope light. This was a cheap Primos 100 yard scope light that's about 4 years old.

Before I went out I bought two AR15 rifle magazines. One was a 10 round magazine and the other was a 5 round. I was told by a guy at Gander Mountain Evansville that one can't use any thing bigger than 5 rounds when hunting in IN Not sure he knows what he's talking about but I went with his recommendation anyway. Just in case he's right. And the smaller magazines will help at the shooting range. Besides I don't need a 30 round mag hanging out the bottom of the rifle when hunting at night.

It was cold last night but a thermos of coffee helped take the bite out of the cold air. I also picked up a new head lamp light that fits on top of a baseball cap. It's a bright light with a red and green filter that can be put over the white LED light. It worked flawlessly last night It works on just 2 AA alkaline batteries so it's cheap to operate. And it did a good job of lighting up the night.

I tried to keep the light above the horizon so as not to directly light any coyotes coming to the calls but I fear that I didn't do a good job at that. I may have scared away the coyotes with the head light. I was looking around and moving my head and the light at times dipped down to the ground.

The rifle scope sort of fogged up on me as a few times I turned on the Primos Scope light to check to see how I could see using the rifle scope. The (Primos) light was bright enough to see out to 50 to 100 yards but the scope or my eye glasses seemed to be fogging up at times. {Added this on Feb 15 2014 I figured out it was my eye glasses. They fog up on me when my breath gets moisture on them when it's really cold outside and the eye glasses are still warm from being inside the warm truck. When I step out into the cold air the get colder and start to fog up all the time at night when it's cold outside. I'm getting some new soft contacts that I hope will solve this problem. I wear Toric type contacts and also need to use reading eyeglasses with the contacts. But the new contacts are multi focal Toric and should let me see up close and far away at the same time. I have tried these out and they worked with my right eye but not my left eye. Since that time I ordered some new lens to try out and the Dr. upped the prescription on my left contact. Hopefully that will help. I tore the right contact the first time I took it out and cleaned it and tried to put it back into my eye. It only lasted for about 6 hours total time. But I found that I could see very clearly with my right up before the lens tore in half. These lens are very thin and tend to fold over a lot when trying to clean them. My other contacts are much thicker and more durable but they don't correct for near and far sightedness at the same time like the new Pro Clear Multi focal Toric lens.}


I was on stand for 30 minutes. I found a small area of primary growth timber and brush that was right out in the middle of a small plowed field. I set up on the downwind end of this small wood lot and called to the downwind direction. Winds were out of the North last night and very light. It was cold enough to see one's breath in the light.

I parked about 500 yards away and the truck was hidden from the calling sight. The trucks position was down hill from the calling sight and there was high grass between the truck and the calling sight. There is a gravel road that I walked on to get from the truck to the calling sight. It was a long walk for me at night. I was carrying my Primo's Quick Shooting Stick B-iPod and a camo bucket with rotating padded seat. Inside the bucket I put the Fox Pro FX3 Unit. Never used the Fox Pro last night though. I had a Little Dog caller and two Herter's Dying Rabbit Calls (hand calls) that I used last night. These coyotes have heard the Fox Pro caller before. And I know that other people have called and shot at these coyotes in the last week. I would have been better off hunting them on Oct 15 instead of the 26th.

I saw some eye shine out in the open field South of the Woodlot when I walked into the calling area. But they vanished into the night. I did hear some howling to my North but it was really far away. Maybe the pack was out hunting far to the North at the time I set up. I waited until the moon had risen in the sky which was after 1 AM. There was a Crescent Moon and plenty of light to see in the dark.. It was not a full moon. By Full moon I mean a half moon as we can't see the back side of the moon and only 1/2 of the moon's surface reflects the sun's rays onto the Earth. So half of the full moon is called a Crescent Moon. I really should have gone out on the 15th as it was opening day and closer to the full moon.

I didn't get any coyotes last night but I had fun. It was exciting being out in the dark by myself and knowing that at any time a predator may be running towards me. But I felt secure having the AR15 in my hands. ha ha.

[moose1am]

New Update: 11/11/13

I finally decided to bite the bullet and go for broke. I ended up going to Buck and Jakes and buying the Ambush Firearms 5.56 AR 15. Ambush Firearms is a hunting subsidiary of Daniels Defense. I was looking at the AR15 Ruger 556 standard or carbine AR15 out at Buck and Jakes on the West side and also one at Gander Mountain. But my gut told me to go with the Direct Gas Injection type of AR15. Reason being I'm not going to be shooting that much and I wanted an AR15 that I can use parts from other manufactures if I ever need to. The Piston Systems are more propitiatory and I would be stuck buying certain parts at a higher cost down the road.

I also purchased a new Rifle Scope for the AR15. I actually bought the scope and rings before I bought the rifle.

I went with a Nikon Scope. It's the M-223 model. And it's a 4 x 16 x 42 with the BCD 600 Reticle. It's a lot of scope, but I can also use it on my other rifle (Rem Model 660 in 222 caliber) I got a Rock River single piece 1" high mount for the scope. The mount has big (hug) knobs on it to tighten it up on the Picatinny rails. So I can take the scope off and on without moving the point of impact too much. (at least that's my hope right now). I did not lap the scope rings for the scope as I don't have the equipment to test the rings and to lap them right now. But since it's a one piece ring setup I'm hoping its holding the scope in the rings straight.

I cleaned the new Ambush after I bought it and then took it to the shooting range and tried it out. I first laser bore sighted the scope rifle combination in on a 25 yard target in my side yard.

The first shot I took with this brand new rifle was right in the bulls eye. I was ready to go home after that happened. I knew it would not get any better than that. LOL. I was really amazed that I was able to hit the bulls eye on the very first shot with this new gun. The second shot was not as good. Although it was pretty windy the day I was shooting. The group was not very tight. My neighbors AR15 shot better and it had not been shot before either. Well he never shot it but I guess they shot a few rounds though it at the factory to test it. But I used Rem Accutip V 55 grain bullets in the High Standard and it's barrel has a 1:9 twist. These Remington AccuTip 55 gr bullets are better (IMHO) than the Rem PSP 55 gr bullets. The Point Soft Point 55 grain Rem bullets are not as sharp at the points and get out of shape easier. I noticed that some of the noses on the PSP bullets were misshaped. I was running out of the Rem 223 Accutip Bullets so I'm saving the rest for hunting. They are not cheap at about 32 dollars for 20 bullets /box. { Added Feb 15, 2014 I looked around at Gander Mountain and Buck& Jakes for months before I finally found some more boxes of the Remingtion AccuTip 55 gr bullets. I finally got a couple new boxes of these now. But I also figured out that Hornady makes these AccuTips for Remington and that I can get the Hornady V-Max 55 gr bullets cheaper than the Remington AccuTips 55 gr and they are basically the same bullet. The Remington's have a tan plastic tip while the Hornady have a red plastic tip. }

I went to the 200 yard range next and tried out the BCD reticle on the Nikon scope. But I forget to change the parallax knob setting from 100 yards to 200 yards when I first started shooting the Ambush. I was hitting all my bullets inside the first circle outside the bulls eye.

I'm using the Shot N C type targets.

Later I remembered to set the parallax knob on the Nikon scope to 200 yards.

The Nikon Scope has the type of adjustment knobs that you can turn by hand and then the knobs pull up and you can reset the knob to the zero mark without moving the reticles. So once you turn the knobs and get the scope adjusted for 100 or 200 yards you can then pull the knobs outward and move the knob back to the zero setting. Then you just push the knobs back down to re-engage them. After this you can turn the knob to adjust for different ranges or you can just use the BCD reticle to shoot at a longer range.

Nikon has a web site and a software computer program that can tell you which range each of the small circles and tick marks on the BCD reticle represents. For example if you zero at 100 yards you can shoot at 200 yard using the first circle below the cross hairs. The next circle below that is about 300 yards.

The Nikon program allows for all types of variables such at altitude, temp, barometric pressure and the type of ammo you are using. The program does not take into consideration the type of gun you are shooting. But it's still pretty neat. You can also print out a hard copy of the different ranges for different conditions and different types of ammo. One could print out a book with all the variables.

I can use the computer program on a lap top if so desired. I think you may have to buy the program, but I'm not really sure if you have to buy it or can download it for free. But, the web site is free to use right now.

I'm shooting off a Caldwell Tact Driver Shooting Bag. The rifle is a little unbalanced as I wish I could move the rifle forward a little more in the shooting back to balance it more on the bag. The back end of the rifle wants to drop down when I push the rifle as far up into the bag's grooves as it will go. The magazine won't let the rifle go any further forward. Still the bag is a pretty stable platform and the scope is pretty steady if you control your breathing.

The trigger on the Ambush is a two stage Geissele Super Semi-Automatic SSA trigger.

You can read more about this gun here:

ambushfirearms.com/shop/rifles/ambush-5-56mm.html

Note: The other day (two days ago) this web site (Daniel Defense web site) was giving me an error message about the sites security certificate not being right. I called DD and told them about this problem and today the web sites working without the error message. To me this shows that they listened and fixed their web sites security certificate pretty fast. To be fair the girl that answered my phone call (actually she called me back after I left a message on their answering machine) told me that they were working on their web site at the time. So maybe they were already in the process of working on the security certificate. Anyway they got it working better now.

I've not been out hunting with the new rifle yet. I'm still trying to figure out how to take the castle nut off and putting on a new part that will be able to attach my single point sling that I bought at Gander Mountain. The gun didn't come with any sling mounts or attachment Rings. So I'm going with a single point type sling to try that out. I had a 3 point sling on my neighbors High Standard AR15 that I used to hunt one night and that gun had sling attachments at the front and rear on the gun. But I didn't like the way the rifle fit over my shoulder with that sling setup. I think I will like the gun hanging in front of me much better. But I'll have to see how that goes.

I'm going to have to try to find some more Remington Accutip-V 55 grain shells. I can't find them at Gander Mountain or at Buck and Jakes. Maybe Rural King will have some or if I get lucky I can find some at Wal-Mart

Oh, one more thing. The Ambush comes with the barrel threaded but it does not come with a flash suppressor on the end of the barrel. It's got a thread protector screwed onto the threads at the end of the barrel.

I have no idea if I need a flash suppressor or not. And if so what type to get. I'll have to do more research to see if they would help with the accuracy of the gun/shooter combination.

And the Ambush uses a 1:7 twist rate on the barrels groves. This is on a 18" long cold hammer forged type barrel. The barrel is not chrome lined but it's got a salt bath nitride finish. But I think that part of the inside of the bolt carrier is chromed. It appears much brighter than the rest of the metal on the bolt carrier. But I can't find any thing in writing about the Ambush Bolt carrier's metal. I think it may be shot peened and magnetic tested but I could be mixing that up with the Ruger AR15. It's definitely magnetically tested and shot peened. and the inside of the bolt carrier where the carrier goes into the bolt carrier is chrome plated. I can see it inside the bolt carrier where the hot gases enter the bolt carrier from the gas key above this spot.

If I didn't have to get out and clean up the leaves in my yard and on the roof I'd be going back to the range and doing some hunting later tonight.

Its' going to be getting really cold tomorrow with some snow possible. I need to get my damn truck fixed so that it will start in the cold. Right now the damn thing only wants to start properly when it's above 60 deg F. Below 50 Deg F it just gets harder to start. And at 30 deg F and below it may not fire at all. It's got a bad Engine Control Module or IC chip inside the distributor. I paid over $200 for the IC chip to replace the factor original one when it went bad two years ago on summer. Now the stupid thing doesn't work when it gets cold. Just my luck I had it installed in July when it was hot outside. But this is the second winter with the new IC chip that won't work when it gets cold. So I'm having a new one put in soon. I just hope the second new on is better than the first new one. They now cost $300 if you can find them anywhere. I'm tying to located a old factory original at a junk yard to see if that will be a cheaper way to go. Also my mechanic said it's a better IC chip and that the after market one's are junk. Base on my experience with the first after market IC chip I have to agree with my mechanic.

It's a bitch to get stuck out in the cold when you can't get your truck to start and you are cold and hungry and sleepy after coyote hunting all night long.

{Added Feb 15, 2014. I got the IC problem fixed now so the truck starts up in even the very coldest of weather. The IC chip inside the truck's distributor was bad and It was only two years old. It was bad from the day I bought it. Now that problem is solved and I can trust my truck to start in cold weather. That was a bitch before I finally got it fixed.}

PS: Salt Bath information

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferritic_nitrocarburizing

[dawgdad]

Moose sounds like you have a winner. I will say the Geissele trigger is my favorite. If oyu can find the Hornady 55 V-max loaded ammo it shoots very well too. With the 1:7 barrel you could even shoot heavier bullets (up to80 grainers).

The BDC scopes are pretty handy tools but I just set the rifle to shoot 1" high at 100 yards and hold middle of fur out to 250. (3" point blank Zero for the 55 Vmax @3200 fps)

[moose1am]

I stopped by Buck and Jakes last night and again tonight and picked up some of those Hornady Bullets. I think I got a box of the Hornady Ammunition with 68 grain bullets that are boat tail type. I got those at the Boonville, IN store.

This morning I decided to try to take the castle nut off the collapsible stock and the lower and found out that the buffer tube pin come out with a lot of force when you forget to hold it down while backing off the castle nut to the back plate. The spring and the two pins ( the other spring was to the break down pin that holds that pin in place). I found the two springs on my kitchen floor but I heard a metal piece hit the wall and bounce down into the air duct on the floor. I spent about two hours locating the pin inside the air duct using a magnet and my hands finally. Then I though I lost another pin and searched almost everything in the kitchen including under the refrigerator only to find out that it was still in the lower receiver. It fell out only after I gave up searching the kitchen floor. I got the floor clean though. I sweep the floor and then range a magnet over the dust before dumping in into the trash bin. Only then did I think that maybe the pin was not magnetic and so I searched the trash can and all the dust to no avail. I was lucky that I found both pins and both springs and after some effort and an getting a couple of vices out of the garage I got the new back plate MAGPUL ambedexterous sling connector back plate back on the AR15. I had bought a spanner wrench at Buck and Jakes on the West side of Evansville so that I could take the castle nut off and put it back on but that tool was a piece of junk. It was not the proper size and would not stay in the castle nut well. Don't buy the cheap 12 dollar wrench. Got for broke and buy the 30 dollar one as it's much better built and can torque the castle nut down better. IMHO. I picked up a new 30 dollor spanner/multi purpose AR 15 wrench tonight at Buck and Jakes on the West side. And I also got a box of the Hornady Ammunition in55 grain V-Max style. These remind me of the Remingtion Accutip V boat tail shell that I bought earlier thinking they were 222 Acuutip V shells. Only later did I figure out that they were not 222 ammo but 223 ammo. I also have two boxes of the Remington UMC in 55 grain Bullets. These are suppose to be for plinking and varmit hunting so I'm hoping that they will shoot ok. They only cost $12.95 where the Hornady shells cost about $22.95. Heck I was paying $32 for the Remington Accutip V 222 bullets last year.

With all this ammo I figured the gun being direct gas injected will get pretty dirty at the range so I picked up a small AR15 223 field cleaning kit to take to the range with me.

This hobby is starting to get expensive. LOL
But it's fun and sort of addicting too.

I started out the day thinking I was going hunting this morning but events didn't work out that way. I was planning on mounting three short Picatinney rails on the forarm cover of my new rifle but I never got time to do that. I had to take my elderly mother to her doctor today at 1PM. I got up at 5:30 and figured I have time to get some hunting in this morning but things went south as soon as I took the castle nut off the ar.

Funny thing is that the instructions on how to take off the castle nut and put on the new Magpul back plate were inside the package. I didn't see that as it was folded on the inside of the package and not vislbe until you open up the package and look inside at the carbard insert's inside. I never knew what hit me when the dam springs shot out of the gun. But I knew I had lost some small parts when I heard then hit the floor and go down into the air duct. If only I had opened up the new back plate package before I took the old plate off I would have saved myself about three hours of misery. Beware of small pins under spring pressure. They are like BOOBI TRAPS.

I'll be getting out to the range a few more times and seeing how the new ammo shoots.

I've been told that the 1:7 twist is good for heavier shells up to about 80 grains. But I got use to shooting my neighbors are with the 1:0 twist barrel and 55 grain ammo. That combination gave me excellent results and it was a new gun as he said he had never shot it himself. I never really got to shoot it at 200 yards though.


I read somewhere the other day that if you sight in the 223 at 50 yards it will be a little high at 100 yards and right on at either 200 or maybe it was at 300 yards. Any one ever try this?

I heard about sighting in at 1" high at 100 yards to make it right on at around 200 yards. So I may try that too someday.

Now all I really need to buy and mount is a good light for night hunting. I can mount the light when I get the Picatinney rails mounted on my forarm.

Nov 12, 2013 14:27:53 GMT -5 dawgdad said:

Moose sounds like you have a winner. I will say the Geissele trigger is my favorite. If oyu can find the Hornady 55 V-max loaded ammo it shoots very well too. With the 1:7 barrel you could even shoot heavier bullets (up to80 grainers).

The BDC scopes are pretty handy tools but I just set the rifle to shoot 1" high at 100 yards and hold middle of fur out to 250. (3" point blank Zero for the 55 Vmax @3200 fps)

[hoosierdaddy]

you can go here and type in your numbers and you can check the bullet drop with your set up
www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

[dawgdad]

Remember to set the height of your sights in the ballistic program. AR's typically are 2.25-2.5" above the bore while standard bolt guns are about 1.5". This makes a difference at less than30 yards too. You will shoot low until the bullet reaches the level of the line of sight which is about 40 yards for most loads.

If your scope is mounted up 2.25" just sight it in one inch high at 100 and go hunt. anythiing under 250 yards just hold middle of fur. Any thing over that... you probably should not be shooting until you get some more trigger time.

BTW -the 69's are real accurate loads too.

[moose1am]

Nov 13, 2013 22:04:05 GMT -5 hoosierdaddy said:

you can go here and type in your numbers and you can check the bullet drop with your set up
www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

Wow! Thanks for that link. I didn't know they had that. I've never shot anything other than Remington most of my life. Now I have three or four different types of shells from different manufactures.

I just wish it would quit raining so I could go shooting soon.